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	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Adaptive Decision Management by Complex Event Processing (CEP) Blog &#187; Adaptive Decision Management &#38; CEP</title>
		<link>http://pvhaley.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/adaptive-decision-management/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Complex Event Processing (CEP) Blog &#187; Adaptive Decision Management &#38; CEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Haley has posted a clear and easy-to-read look at the symbiotic nature of analytics and business rules in the field [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Goals and backward chaining using the Rete Algorithm by Greg Reemler</title>
		<link>http://pvhaley.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/goals-and-backward-chaining-using-the-rete-algorithm/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Reemler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

I could not agree with you more!

Current CEP engines have very implemented capabilties; and can best be referred to as SEP (simple event processing).

Warm Regards,

Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>I could not agree with you more!</p>
<p>Current CEP engines have very implemented capabilties; and can best be referred to as SEP (simple event processing).</p>
<p>Warm Regards,</p>
<p>Greg</p>
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		<title>Comment on RuleBurst Re-brands as Haley Limited by michaelneale</title>
		<link>http://pvhaley.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/ruleburst-re-brands-as-haley-limited/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>michaelneale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the Haley name lives on ! Reminds me of Leo Fender (and Fender guitars) - even after he left (although I have a music man, which was designed by him post Fender).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Haley name lives on ! Reminds me of Leo Fender (and Fender guitars) - even after he left (although I have a music man, which was designed by him post Fender).</p>
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		<title>Comment on In the names of CEP and BPM by paul@haleyAI.com</title>
		<link>http://pvhaley.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/in-the-names-of-cep-and-bpm/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>paul@haleyAI.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although RDF lacks niceties of XML Schema, its generality allowed convergence on the standard.  Whether same or different are implemented as rules, there is still a need to represent them.  OWL definitely needs a rule language.  A few variants of SWSL are there now and RIF is headed there.  

The notion of "object" is really wrong.  Developers need to understand that concepts are not necessarily objects.  Object-orientation is very implementation-oriented.  For example, money or time are not objects, but they are concepts and their semantics is important.  Replacing uses of "object" with "concept" is a good first step towards clear semantics and longer lasting designs.

I have a few pet peaves about RDF, everybody does!  The fact is that its uniformity is both powerful but inconvenient.  I wish it could represent quantities without a ton of links and that links could reference other links, but it's good enough and the train has left the station.

I am not too caught up on the specifications.  The arguments are and should be on what common concepts are and mean.  With meaningful standard-independent consensus on such definitions, any standard would be good enough for many practical applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although RDF lacks niceties of XML Schema, its generality allowed convergence on the standard.  Whether same or different are implemented as rules, there is still a need to represent them.  OWL definitely needs a rule language.  A few variants of SWSL are there now and RIF is headed there.  </p>
<p>The notion of &#8220;object&#8221; is really wrong.  Developers need to understand that concepts are not necessarily objects.  Object-orientation is very implementation-oriented.  For example, money or time are not objects, but they are concepts and their semantics is important.  Replacing uses of &#8220;object&#8221; with &#8220;concept&#8221; is a good first step towards clear semantics and longer lasting designs.</p>
<p>I have a few pet peaves about RDF, everybody does!  The fact is that its uniformity is both powerful but inconvenient.  I wish it could represent quantities without a ton of links and that links could reference other links, but it&#8217;s good enough and the train has left the station.</p>
<p>I am not too caught up on the specifications.  The arguments are and should be on what common concepts are and mean.  With meaningful standard-independent consensus on such definitions, any standard would be good enough for many practical applications.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Goals and backward chaining using the Rete Algorithm by paultibco</title>
		<link>http://pvhaley.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/goals-and-backward-chaining-using-the-rete-algorithm/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>paultibco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Paul - very interesting. Much CEP is focused on throughput of events, but there is definitately a need for knowledge-rich EP too.

For Mark: why not download Nexpert, with its docs? (Google is your friend!) This is primarily a bwd chaining engine where bwd chaining was just one agenda option (customizable per domain class, and inheritable) for evaluating boolean terms (if I recall).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Paul - very interesting. Much CEP is focused on throughput of events, but there is definitately a need for knowledge-rich EP too.</p>
<p>For Mark: why not download Nexpert, with its docs? (Google is your friend!) This is primarily a bwd chaining engine where bwd chaining was just one agenda option (customizable per domain class, and inheritable) for evaluating boolean terms (if I recall).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Goals and backward chaining using the Rete Algorithm by mdproctor</title>
		<link>http://pvhaley.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/goals-and-backward-chaining-using-the-rete-algorithm/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>mdproctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've also just found this, MIKE. I've never heard of MIKE before, but considering it's 1990 it looks quite powerful for then. It has full forward and backward chaining on Frames as well as uncertainty support, includes source and explanations - I'm just pouring over it now.
http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/marc/mike_text.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve also just found this, MIKE. I&#8217;ve never heard of MIKE before, but considering it&#8217;s 1990 it looks quite powerful for then. It has full forward and backward chaining on Frames as well as uncertainty support, includes source and explanations - I&#8217;m just pouring over it now.<br />
<a href="http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/marc/mike_text.html" rel="nofollow">http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/marc/mike_text.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Goals and backward chaining using the Rete Algorithm by mdproctor</title>
		<link>http://pvhaley.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/goals-and-backward-chaining-using-the-rete-algorithm/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>mdproctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've found a news posting that prints Charles Forgy's old Rules Power paper explaining and comparing backwards chaining for Jess and OPSJ
http://coding.derkeiler.com/Archive/Prolog/comp.lang.prolog/2007-05/msg00121.html

Although while it shows the "needs" mechanism, it doesn't say how OPSJ provides that data, just how it requests it.

James Owen often raves about Neuron Data being the only Object Oriented fully opportunistic forward and backward chaining system. Anyone got any old manuals on NExpert, I'd be interested to see how they did things. Same for ART :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found a news posting that prints Charles Forgy&#8217;s old Rules Power paper explaining and comparing backwards chaining for Jess and OPSJ<br />
<a href="http://coding.derkeiler.com/Archive/Prolog/comp.lang.prolog/2007-05/msg00121.html" rel="nofollow">http://coding.derkeiler.com/Archive/Prolog/comp.lang.prolog/2007-05/msg00121.html</a></p>
<p>Although while it shows the &#8220;needs&#8221; mechanism, it doesn&#8217;t say how OPSJ provides that data, just how it requests it.</p>
<p>James Owen often raves about Neuron Data being the only Object Oriented fully opportunistic forward and backward chaining system. Anyone got any old manuals on NExpert, I&#8217;d be interested to see how they did things. Same for ART <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on In the names of CEP and BPM by woolfel</title>
		<link>http://pvhaley.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/in-the-names-of-cep-and-bpm/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>woolfel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi paul,

I'm curious to hear what you think OWL. I've studied it a bit over the last few years and I am left with several important questions.

1. since very few tools use OWL to model entities and/or domain models, would OWL be better, if it extended XML Schema instead. Atleast that way, most of the modeling tools out there could work with it.

2. Should the relationships between instances of entities be captured as rules? More specifically, OWL has sameAs, and differentFrom. In my mind, that should be captured with rules using Knowledge base techniques.

3. should OWL include a rule language? I ask this because people need a way to reason over the ontology.

4. although many consider building ontologies a different activity than object modeling, the average developer thinks in terms of object modeling. For an ontology to be practical, effective and widely used, doesn't it have to address object modeling?

5. OWL is often associated with and used with RDF. I find the triplet design of RDF flawed from a modeling and reasoning perspective. If you could start over and design RDF, what would you have done differently?

I like the idea of using Ontologies to enhance BRMS, BPM and CEP, but none of the current public specifications seem to be appropriate for real world use.

peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi paul,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious to hear what you think OWL. I&#8217;ve studied it a bit over the last few years and I am left with several important questions.</p>
<p>1. since very few tools use OWL to model entities and/or domain models, would OWL be better, if it extended XML Schema instead. Atleast that way, most of the modeling tools out there could work with it.</p>
<p>2. Should the relationships between instances of entities be captured as rules? More specifically, OWL has sameAs, and differentFrom. In my mind, that should be captured with rules using Knowledge base techniques.</p>
<p>3. should OWL include a rule language? I ask this because people need a way to reason over the ontology.</p>
<p>4. although many consider building ontologies a different activity than object modeling, the average developer thinks in terms of object modeling. For an ontology to be practical, effective and widely used, doesn&#8217;t it have to address object modeling?</p>
<p>5. OWL is often associated with and used with RDF. I find the triplet design of RDF flawed from a modeling and reasoning perspective. If you could start over and design RDF, what would you have done differently?</p>
<p>I like the idea of using Ontologies to enhance BRMS, BPM and CEP, but none of the current public specifications seem to be appropriate for real world use.</p>
<p>peter</p>
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		<title>Comment on Goals and backward chaining using the Rete Algorithm by paul@haleyAI.com</title>
		<link>http://pvhaley.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/goals-and-backward-chaining-using-the-rete-algorithm/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>paul@haleyAI.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Fred, the LISP version with backward chaining and the first ATMS (i.e., Viewpoints by Chuck Williams)!!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fred, the LISP version with backward chaining and the first ATMS (i.e., Viewpoints by Chuck Williams)!!?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Goals and backward chaining using the Rete Algorithm by fredsimkin</title>
		<link>http://pvhaley.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/goals-and-backward-chaining-using-the-rete-algorithm/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>fredsimkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually ART (now ART*Enterprise). is alive and well and available. It has a number of tools designed to facilitate development and maintenance of rule and case-based applications (it's still the only tool I am aware of that supports both representation schema) For further info see www.mindbox.com.

In the interest of fairness and accuracy while I've spent eleven years in and/or working with Inference/Brightware/MindBox I currently don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm an independent contractor and my mantra is "Is this a knowledge driven problem? If the answer is yes what is the appropriate representation schema? What is the the appropriate tool given budget and skill set availability...one size does not fit all."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually ART (now ART*Enterprise). is alive and well and available. It has a number of tools designed to facilitate development and maintenance of rule and case-based applications (it&#8217;s still the only tool I am aware of that supports both representation schema) For further info see <a href="http://www.mindbox.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindbox.com</a>.</p>
<p>In the interest of fairness and accuracy while I&#8217;ve spent eleven years in and/or working with Inference/Brightware/MindBox I currently don&#8217;t have a dog in this hunt. I&#8217;m an independent contractor and my mantra is &#8220;Is this a knowledge driven problem? If the answer is yes what is the appropriate representation schema? What is the the appropriate tool given budget and skill set availability&#8230;one size does not fit all.&#8221;</p>
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